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ChicJanowicz2		#21	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 6209 (04/25/09 11:25 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	NapalmUnbelievable wrote: And BTW, just for the record, Ronald Reagan bailed out Chrysler once before. The Republic did not come crashing down around us then, either. Jimmy Carter "There is also plenty of good metal out of which can be formed a foot ball team that would do credit to the O. S. U. Let us have a Varsity team that would do honor to its name." - The Lantern, February 24, 1886
BuckeyeTillEyeDie		#22	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 9660 (04/25/09 11:49 AM) Elitist Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	NapalmUnbelievable wrote: BuckeyeTillEyeDie wrote: NapalmUnbelievable wrote: BuckeyeTillEyeDie wrote: NapalmUnbelievable wrote: Eitzel18 wrote: I wholeheartedly agree, IBLEED, but Detroit has made it a habit of waiting until other companies already have a product on the street before they finally relent and add a new technology to their product line. That's why I think we forego bailouts and let them fail. If they want to resist, let them do it at their expense. And if people want to start paying $50, or 75, or 100,000 for a Suburban because it fits their image of the modern day wild west, then let's see how many will support them. Let's make Detroit play in a truly free market and see how quickly they come around. The bailouts are being misunderstood/misrepresented. They aren't about protecting the corporations, they're about protecting the tens [if not hundreds] of thousands of people whose livelihoods are dependent on GM or Chrysler. And that's not just their own employees, that's suppliers, contractors, freight carriers, etc. The numbers are staggering. Do you really see any wisdom in pulling the rug out from under that many people at once? Whatever the reason, it was a waste of freshly printed money. LOL I understand. I just can't see financing their overpaid lifestyles for another minute. True story... I have a friend who is retired from FORD and when all this started to happen, he was complaining that his health insurance went up to $250. I'm thinking to myself, self, that's not to bad for family coverage, $250 a month is actually an awesome deal. My friend proceeds to tell me this is the yearly rate. I was floored. Union Workers are so far from reality it is absurd and embarrassing. Buy American only helps the Union workers. It doesn't help the non-union people, or the country. So because their union negotiated a retardedly sweet deal for them, they deserve to be tossed out onto the street? That's your position? The Unions don't negotiate, they hold hostage. Carter didn't bail Chrysler out, he loaned them money, which Chrysler paid back. What I do today is important because I am paying a day of my life for it. What I accomplish must be worthwhile because the price is high. The best Head on the NET!!!
NapalmUnbelievable		#23	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 650 (04/25/09 11:55 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	ChicJanowicz2 wrote: NapalmUnbelievable wrote: And BTW, just for the record, Ronald Reagan bailed out Chrysler once before. The Republic did not come crashing down around us then, either. Jimmy Carter A quick check of the Wikipedia confirms that you are correct, sir. Well done. I just remember all the brouhaha from about the time I was going through puberty. The two events aren't related in any way other than chronology, so don't anybody get any funny ideas....
NapalmUnbelievable		#24	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 650 (04/25/09 11:59 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	BuckeyeTillEyeDie wrote: The Unions don't negotiate, they hold hostage. As opposed to non-union workers, who must take whatever scraps His Lordship the Employer deems fit to toss them? Carter didn't bail Chrysler out, he loaned them money, which Chrysler paid back. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc..... Last Edited By: NapalmUnbelievable 04/25/09 3:41 PM. Edited 1 times.
NapalmUnbelievable		#25	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 650 (04/25/09 12:10 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	This thread has sidetracked into a tug-of-war over labor unions and corporate bailouts. It suddenly occurs to me that it would be REALLY funny if Tesla Motors was a non-union company.
Buckzip		#26	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 4198 (04/25/09 6:53 PM) Buckhead Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	NapalmUnbelievable wrote: BuckeyeTillEyeDie wrote: The Unions don't negotiate, they hold hostage. As opposed to non-union workers, who must take whatever scraps His Lordship the Employer deems fit to toss them? Carter didn't bail Chrysler out, he loaned them money, which Chrysler paid back. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc..... Yeah the guys that work at the Honda and Toyota plants and the other foreign plants here that aren't run by the self serving corrupt unions are all miserable....Right. Just keep printing that money so you can blame whomever is president in 15-20 years and it has to be paid back....Of course it won't matter. You will still be blaming Bush for everything.... You liberals are so....never mind...chill out..Ok I am better now... I have to remember,.....it's a disease. You can't help it.... Last Edited By: Buckzip 04/25/09 6:57 PM. Edited 2 times.
Eitzel18		#27	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 3346 (04/25/09 9:05 PM) Elitist Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Zip, why do you hate America?
ChicJanowicz2		#28	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 6209 (04/25/09 9:19 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Buckzip wrote: Yeah the guys that work at the Honda and Toyota plants and the other foreign plants here that aren't run by the self serving corrupt unions are all miserable....Right. Just keep printing that money so you can blame whomever is president in 15-20 years and it has to be paid back....Of course it won't matter. You will still be blaming Bush for everything.... You liberals are so....never mind...chill out..Ok I am better now... I have to remember,.....it's a disease. You can't help it.... Zip, you use the word "liberal" a lot but you use it so broadly I don't know what you mean by it. Can you define for us how you understand the word? "There is also plenty of good metal out of which can be formed a foot ball team that would do credit to the O. S. U. Let us have a Varsity team that would do honor to its name." - The Lantern, February 24, 1886
BuckeyeTillEyeDie		#29	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 9660 (04/25/09 9:28 PM) Elitist Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	NapalmUnbelievable wrote: BuckeyeTillEyeDie wrote: The Unions don't negotiate, they hold hostage. As opposed to non-union workers, who must take whatever scraps His Lordship the Employer deems fit to toss them? If you prepare yourself, and make yourself not only better, but an asset to your employer, they will compensate you more then fairly, or risk losing you to a competitor. Free market. Unions are opposed to fair and free markets. Why is that? Carter didn't bail Chrysler out, he loaned them money, which Chrysler paid back. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc..... Thank you Oprah. One quacks, the other doesn't. A loan, that is paid back is a loan, not a bailout. What terms have the big 3 proposed to pay these back? If the big 3 are such a great idea, let the Unions bail them out OR buy them. What do you reckon they would pay themselves then? What I do today is important because I am paying a day of my life for it. What I accomplish must be worthwhile because the price is high. The best Head on the NET!!!
NapalmUnbelievable		#30	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 650 (04/25/09 9:36 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Buckzip wrote: NapalmUnbelievable wrote: BuckeyeTillEyeDie wrote: The Unions don't negotiate, they hold hostage. As opposed to non-union workers, who must take whatever scraps His Lordship the Employer deems fit to toss them? Carter didn't bail Chrysler out, he loaned them money, which Chrysler paid back. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc..... Yeah the guys that work at the Honda and Toyota plants and the other foreign plants here that aren't run by the self serving corrupt unions are all miserable....Right. Just keep printing that money so you can blame whomever is president in 15-20 years and it has to be paid back....Of course it won't matter. You will still be blaming Bush for everything.... You liberals are so....never mind...chill out..Ok I am better now... I have to remember,.....it's a disease. You can't help it.... And I don't suppose it occurs to you that Honda treats its employees as it does so that it doesn't LOSE THEM to UAW jobs elsewhere in the area? Like it or not, unionized labor has given ALL OF US the working conditions we enjoy today. The five-day work week. Paid holidays. Paid vacations. These things are union achievements. Other employers, not wanting to lose good workers to union jobs, followed suit and offered these same generous perks. They persist today, even though the unions have declined. It's a fact. You can't dispute it. C'mon, you can say it.... it'll make you feel better to admit it..... "You liberals are so....... RIGHT."
NapalmUnbelievable		#31	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 650 (04/25/09 9:44 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	BuckeyeTillEyeDie wrote: NapalmUnbelievable wrote: BuckeyeTillEyeDie wrote: The Unions don't negotiate, they hold hostage. As opposed to non-union workers, who must take whatever scraps His Lordship the Employer deems fit to toss them? If you prepare yourself, and make yourself not only better, but an asset to your employer, they will compensate you more then fairly, or risk losing you to a competitor. Free market. Unions are opposed to fair and free markets. Why is that? And in the "free market", there's no such thing as collusion, is there? Carter didn't bail Chrysler out, he loaned them money, which Chrysler paid back. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc..... Thank you Oprah. One quacks, the other doesn't. A loan, that is paid back is a loan, not a bailout. What terms have the big 3 proposed to pay these back? Oprah? WTF? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I swear I heard the chairman of GM saying that "the American taxpayers will be getting this money back". If the big 3 are such a great idea, let the Unions bail them out OR buy them. What do you reckon they would pay themselves then? Ford doesn't need bailed out, and frankly I'm not all that keen on Chrysler. I've NEVER thought much of their product, not EVER, and the fact that they're now owned privately by a "holding company" makes me feel somehow less inclined to help them out. But an ownership stake in GM for the UAW might not be such a bad idea. Unless it creates some sort of conflict of interest vis a vis the other automakers...
Buckzip		#32	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 4198 (04/25/09 10:08 PM) Buckhead Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Eitzel18 wrote: Zip, why do you hate America? I know shame on me. It seems like I travel around the world apologizing for how rotten America is. Then I hang with people that hate us and sit through long speeches saying how bad we are. I accept books from these people and smile about it. Then I tell our enemy what to train for if they are actually captured. Then I want to further embarrass our nation by doing what 3rd world regimes do and go after the leaders before me. After all, I wouldn't want to save American lives. I hang around people that say GD America and I hang with convicted terrorists.... You are right. I hate America. It's a good thing that I speak so well in public though. If I didn't, even the stupid people would really see what I am all about. Last Edited By: Buckzip 04/25/09 10:19 PM. Edited 1 times.
Buckzip		#33	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 4198 (04/25/09 10:11 PM) Buckhead Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	NapalmUnbelievable wrote: Buckzip wrote: NapalmUnbelievable wrote: BuckeyeTillEyeDie wrote: The Unions don't negotiate, they hold hostage. As opposed to non-union workers, who must take whatever scraps His Lordship the Employer deems fit to toss them? Carter didn't bail Chrysler out, he loaned them money, which Chrysler paid back. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc..... Yeah the guys that work at the Honda and Toyota plants and the other foreign plants here that aren't run by the self serving corrupt unions are all miserable....Right. Just keep printing that money so you can blame whomever is president in 15-20 years and it has to be paid back....Of course it won't matter. You will still be blaming Bush for everything.... You liberals are so....never mind...chill out..Ok I am better now... I have to remember,.....it's a disease. You can't help it.... And I don't suppose it occurs to you that Honda treats its employees as it does so that it doesn't LOSE THEM to UAW jobs elsewhere in the area? Like it or not, unionized labor has given ALL OF US the working conditions we enjoy today. The five-day work week. Paid holidays. Paid vacations. These things are union achievements. Other employers, not wanting to lose good workers to union jobs, followed suit and offered these same generous perks. They persist today, even though the unions have declined. It's a fact. You can't dispute it. C'mon, you can say it.... it'll make you feel better to admit it..... "You liberals are so....... RIGHT." Fucking stupid is what I was going to say.. However, I didn't... Nice cover up though. Because of what happened over 50 years ago, you are positive the car companies would be the same way. Unions had their time and in certain situations probably still do. However, they have run so far out of control it is ridiculous.
Buckzip		#34	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 4198 (04/25/09 10:16 PM) Buckhead Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	My apologies. I am bowing out of this now. I am not going to get into this shit again. This has mostly been off of this board with the exception of a little friendly banter. I am sure the newest not job women will be here shortly to attack me....Well, carry on.
NapalmUnbelievable		#35	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 650 (04/25/09 10:20 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Dude - wow. Maybe try one of the decaffeinated brands?
Buckzip		#36	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 4198 (04/25/09 10:35 PM) Buckhead Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	ChicJanowicz2 wrote: Buckzip wrote: Yeah the guys that work at the Honda and Toyota plants and the other foreign plants here that aren't run by the self serving corrupt unions are all miserable....Right. Just keep printing that money so you can blame whomever is president in 15-20 years and it has to be paid back....Of course it won't matter. You will still be blaming Bush for everything.... You liberals are so....never mind...chill out..Ok I am better now... I have to remember,.....it's a disease. You can't help it.... Zip, you use the word "liberal" a lot but you use it so broadly I don't know what you mean by it. Can you define for us how you understand the word? Chic, I told you before. I am not playing your little games. You think you are so smart, you figure it out. I don't have a real problem with Democrats. I have a problem with liberals. I have voted Democrat many times. I am not nearly as far right as some of you think I am. The problem is that the only things anyone ever discusses here are extremes.
ChicJanowicz2		#37	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 6209 (04/25/09 10:48 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	What game? I want to know what you mean by a word you use to describe a wide variety of viewpoints. You wanted Napalm to answer a direct question. Can't you do the same? "There is also plenty of good metal out of which can be formed a foot ball team that would do credit to the O. S. U. Let us have a Varsity team that would do honor to its name." - The Lantern, February 24, 1886
Buckzip		#38	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 4198 (04/26/09 12:54 AM) Buckhead Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	ChicJanowicz2 wrote: What game? I want to know what you mean by a word you use to describe a wide variety of viewpoints. You wanted Napalm to answer a direct question. Can't you do the same? The answer I gave naplam was a yes or no. I know your game. I am not playing it....Sorry.
OSUnumber45		#39	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 4678 (04/26/09 4:13 AM) Buckhead Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Wow... "I got some shit I'm conservative about. I got some shit I'm liberal about. Crime, I'm conservative. Prostitution, I'm liberal." Chris Rock Last Edited By: OSUnumber45 04/26/09 5:07 AM. Edited 1 times.
ChicJanowicz2		#40	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 6209 (04/26/09 7:13 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Sorry I made you uncomfortable, Zip, but if you were able to take a step back you would see I was offering you an opportunity, not playing a game. The only "trap" for you was not taking it. "There is also plenty of good metal out of which can be formed a foot ball team that would do credit to the O. S. U. Let us have a Varsity team that would do honor to its name." - The Lantern, February 24, 1886

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