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Buckhead Posts: 1251 (06/29/09 7:40 PM) Buckhead Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Tags : None So the House passed the Waxman-Markey climate-change bill. In political terms, it was a remarkable achievement. Skip to next paragraph But 212 representatives voted no. A handful of these no votes came from representatives who considered the bill too weak, but most rejected the bill because they rejected the whole notion that we have to do something about greenhouse gases. And as I watched the deniers make their arguments, I couldn't help thinking that I was watching a form of treason - treason against the planet. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/29/opinion/29krugman.html?_r=1&em
ChicJanowicz2		#1	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 7111 (06/29/09 7:57 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Where's the popcorn emoticon? "There is also plenty of good metal out of which can be formed a foot ball team that would do credit to the O. S. U. Let us have a Varsity team that would do honor to its name." - The Lantern, February 24, 1886
Elkhorn2		#2	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 2408 (06/29/09 9:09 PM) Lonesome Rhodes Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Record highs were set in a number of states last week, and there were many reports of roads buckling. Saw some insane photos and reports that huge chunks of highway just suddenly popped. Saw a report from Wednesday - temps in the atmosphere over key parts of the arctic were 27 D F above normal.
IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY		#3	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 13249 (06/29/09 9:22 PM) True Gravity Professor Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	"A wise and frugal government which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government and this is necessary to close the circle of our happiness." Thomas Jefferson
Eitzel18		#4	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 4846 (06/29/09 9:30 PM) Elitist Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Elkhorn2 wrote: Record highs were set in a number of states last week, and there were many reports of roads buckling. Saw some insane photos and reports that huge chunks of highway just suddenly popped. Saw a report from Wednesday - temps in the atmosphere over key parts of the arctic were 27 D F above normal. This is where it gets difficult. There are a number of folks - some with their own radio shows - that go out to get the paper in the morning and their nipples perk up more than they remember from the same day last year. So they declare that we are in a cooling cycle. I support the ones that follow the Butch Davis scientific method: eschew temperature data and just go by what your gut tells ya Damn it's hot = global warming. Damn it's cold = global cooling. See you tomorrow - same bat time. Same bat channel. Aside from that, I do support long term occupation for the policing of oil fields. i do not support long term occupation to thwart treason against the world.
tribucks		#5	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 8277 (06/29/09 9:56 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Elk, I know this is your big issue but with all due respect, in the past when the occasional cold temps were cited as evidence against global warming, you essentially dissed it as cherrypicking the data from too short a sampling. How can you now cite last week's temps as evidence for warming without seeming like you're cherrypicking for your own side?
Elkhorn2		#6	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 2408 (06/29/09 10:13 PM) Lonesome Rhodes Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	This is where it gets difficult. Yeah, but these observations are coming from the cryosphere researchers recording at 5,000 feet with 24 hour sunlight beating down on thin ice. The warm temps in the arctic have led to the release of methane, which is like turbocharged CO2. When a similar pattern set in during 2007 it hung around a few months, melting a significant part of the icecap. And some of those records last week were all-time records, not daily records.
tribucks		#7	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 8277 (06/29/09 10:16 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Elkhorn2 wrote: This is where it gets difficult. Yeah, but these observations are coming from the cryosphere researchers recording at 5,000 feet with 24 hour sunlight beating down on thin ice. The warm temps in the arctic have led to the release of methane, which is like turbocharged CO2. When a similar pattern set in during 2007 it hung around a few months, melting a significant part of the icecap. And some of those records last week were all-time records, not daily records. There is absolutely no way of knowing that. "All-time" meaning since temperatures have been recorded, maybe.
Elkhorn2		#8	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 2408 (06/29/09 10:29 PM) Lonesome Rhodes Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	OK, I will give you that. Still a concern if you don't have AC.
BuckeyeTillEyeDie		#9	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 10456 (06/29/09 10:37 PM) I'm naked, are you? Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I'm with Elk on this one, ut it's getting like discussions about God almost. :-) What I do today is important because I am paying a day of my life for it. What I accomplish must be worthwhile because the price is high. The best Head on the NET!!!
theBigBuckowski		#10	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 5076 (06/29/09 10:44 PM) You mean coitus? Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	To be the cherry picking douchebag of the day.......it's colder than shit up here in Grand Haven, MI, global warming is a farce.
BuckeyeTillEyeDie		#11	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 10456 (06/29/09 10:48 PM) I'm naked, are you? Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	theBigBuckowski wrote: To be the cherry picking douchebag of the day.......it's colder than shit up here in Grand Haven, MI, global warming is a farce. Nice in AA. What I do today is important because I am paying a day of my life for it. What I accomplish must be worthwhile because the price is high. The best Head on the NET!!!
Elkhorn2		#12	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 2408 (06/29/09 10:56 PM) Lonesome Rhodes Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Good to hear its cold. I may head up to Newaygo county for some fishing on the Muskegon River. But what is up with this headline? Hot weather brings ugly 'scum' to Lake Michigan shoreline Friday, June 26, 2009 By Brian McVicar staff@muskegonchronicle.com
theBigBuckowski		#13	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 5076 (06/29/09 11:01 PM) You mean coitus? Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I'll be in Muskegon all day tomorrow. Was it the hot weather, or the new speed shuttle from Milwaukee bringing in all the uglies?
scarletghost 2		#14	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 3995 (06/29/09 11:15 PM) Watcher Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Elkhorn2 wrote: Good to hear its cold. I may head up to Newaygo county for some fishing on the Muskegon River. But what is up with this headline? Hot weather brings ugly 'scum' to Lake Michigan shoreline Elvis found out about the '98 mix-up? Did he have a big rock and some rope with him? A man who wouldn't cheat for a poke don't want one bad enough. --Augustus McCrae
Buckeyealum06		#15	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 971 (06/30/09 12:53 AM) Kirk Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Haven't we been warming up for millenia now? Think about it... where I currently sit was under a glacier 10,000 years ago (or whatever). We're only freaking out now because a) we put a ton of stock in coastal property, and b) it makes for some good political fearmongering. What about the coldest January on record recently? How does that factor in? Someday, kid, you'll understand.
tribucks	depressing thoughts of the morning	#16	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 8277 (06/30/09 6:34 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I don't have any doubt the world is getting warmer and that our activities...and those of the animals we breed and those of the sun we live under and those of other likely reasons...are the causes. My opinion, though, is so what? If major cataclysmic events happen as a result (and this is the part where I have doubts), all living things on Earth will either evolve and adapt or die if they can't. That's how it's always been and will be. If a good chunk of civilization bites the dust because of global warming, so be it. This planet could probably use a major corrective action anyway. Nature will take care of itself one way or another, and humanity just a blink of the eye in Earth's existence. That may be a cold and nasty attitude, and I'm not saying we don't need to make some major changes in consumption and pollution habits worldwide, but a little shaking of the ol' snowglobe might not be a bad thing. Additionally, I'm not sure those who truly believe that our reward or a better life awaits elsewhere after we depart here (which I think includes people from a good number of the major religions) shouldn't be too upset about the threat of a warmer planet if the worst that can happen is they get to go there.
ChicJanowicz2		#17	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 7111 (06/30/09 6:37 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Buckeyealum06 wrote: Haven't we been warming up for millenia now? Think about it... where I currently sit was under a glacier 10,000 years ago (or whatever). We're only freaking out now because a) we put a ton of stock in coastal property, and b) it makes for some good political fearmongering. What about the coldest January on record recently? How does that factor in? How did the scientists miss this? "There is also plenty of good metal out of which can be formed a foot ball team that would do credit to the O. S. U. Let us have a Varsity team that would do honor to its name." - The Lantern, February 24, 1886
IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY		#18	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 13249 (06/30/09 6:40 AM) True Gravity Professor Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	SUPPRESSION OF OPPOSING VIEW "A wise and frugal government which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government and this is necessary to close the circle of our happiness." Thomas Jefferson
PCBuckeye		#19	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 3115 (06/30/09 7:12 AM) Buckhead Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	tribucks wrote: I don't have any doubt the world is getting warmer and that our activities...and those of the animals we breed and those of the sun we live under and those of other likely reasons...are the causes. My opinion, though, is so what? If major cataclysmic events happen as a result (and this is the part where I have doubts), all living things on Earth will either evolve and adapt or die if they can't. That's how it's always been and will be. If a good chunk of civilization bites the dust because of global warming, so be it. This planet could probably use a major corrective action anyway. Nature will take care of itself one way or another, and humanity just a blink of the eye in Earth's existence. That may be a cold and nasty attitude, and I'm not saying we don't need to make some major changes in consumption and pollution habits worldwide, but a little shaking of the ol' snowglobe might not be a bad thing. Additionally, I'm not sure those who truly believe that our reward or a better life awaits elsewhere after we depart here (which I think includes people from a good number of the major religions) shouldn't be too upset about the threat of a warmer planet if the worst that can happen is they get to go there. +1 Im all for recycling, more efficient and cleaner transportation, cleaner water, and the preservation of forests. I think the green building initative is a fantastic one. I think selling carbon credits where CEO's of failing companies can profit millions of dollars by selling of the right to pollute is counter productive.
Elkhorn2		#20	[-]
Buckhead Posts: 2408 (06/30/09 8:20 AM) Lonesome Rhodes Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	January was the 13th coldest in Ohio thanks to unusual chinook winds that blew into Alaska and pushed their cold air down to us. Temps in Alaska went from forty-something below to + 57 (at Fairbanks), bringing rain, melting snow, and some flooding.